“a picture was tweeted (and then removed) by Louise Eastell who was reporting being on set as Billie Piper’s (Rose Tyler) stunt-double. The costume doesn’t seem to match what we’ve seen Rose wear in any of her previous appearances in the show…perhaps she’s an alternate Rose, traveling with Hurt’s…
After the name of the doctor I thought of something similar too.
First of all, let me begin by saying that what I thought of straight away when it comes to John Hurt is that he’s an alternative version of Nine. Like, at the end of Eight’s life he did something terrible or very wrong etc. and instead of regenerating into the Nine we know he regenerated into a different Ninth Doctor (who is played by John Hurt). I didn’t even realize that this was actually open for interpretation until I started seeing other theories on Tumblr, but I still think this one makes the most sense.
So the way I saw it, in a universe where Nine was (apparently) kind of evil, or at least broken enough that he was not going around saving people anymore, he never meets Rose. He was never there when the Autons attacked, or when all the other alien attacks in London happened in the following years. As we’ve more or less seen in Turn Left, the consequences of that are dire. This case is different, though, because the Doctor wasn’t around for longer, which means they may have been taken care of in different ways, so that the result is not exactly the same as the world Donna lived in when she decided to help Rose.
Well, anyway, so now that the Doctor’s not around, the world is going to shit to at least some extent. And there is Rose Tyler, who always had the potential to be a hero but never had to tap into it in her boring old life, until she met the Doctor and constantly found herself in life/death situations.
Now, remember Rickey from Pete’s World? How he was the leader of an underground rebel group trying to stop the Cybermen? Whereas Mickey was just a mechanic that never amounted to much and never believed he had the ability to do so in the first place? What I’m getting at here is that Rickey became the leader of a rebellion, and thus a hero, because his world needed someone to save it, and there was no one else, so he took it upon himself to do it.
John Hurt’s AU is the same way. All this shit is hitting the fan (even assuming John Hurt himself wouldn’t become a threat, too), and there is no Doctor to save the Earth. So people obviously would start trying to fight off the aliens the best they could, probably forming all kinds of groups and agencies and whatnot.
Can anyone honestly believe Rose Tyler wouldn’t be at the very heart of something like that? Much like Rickey did, she’ll probably feel it’s her duty to do the most she can to help once she realizes something’s wrong.
So what I’ve been thinking is that maybe the Rose we’re going to see in the 50th is this one I just described. A Rose Tyler who never met or travelled with the Doctor, and who became a hero in her own right fighting off invading aliens on Earth, and possibly even going beyond that later (I, too, noticed the Vortex Manipulator on the double, and I don’t think it would be a stretch to think that if she stuck around Earth actively working with alien-related stuff she could end up either finding a vortex manipulator or else hitching a ride with some non-threatening space travelers and finding the manipulator through them/at a stop or destination).
Now that I’ve seen this post I’m thinking it’s just as likely that she did meet the Doctor-who-is-not-the-Doctor anyway and ended up being his companion, and that since he’s a different man their future is different enough that it’d explain the way she looked, etc.
I honestly don’t know which theory I’d prefer.
I do think it’s going to be one of them, however, because:
1- post-tentoo Rose would be heart-breaking. More importantly, it would be hard to explain how she got back (and why she’ll be leaving again, as we know she must). Most importantly, I don’t think even Moffat is crazy enough to mess with Rose and Tentoo’s happy ending, because he must know, with how many fans the Doctor/Rose ship has, it wouldn’t end well for him.
2- dimension-hopping Rose seemed to always wear the blue leather jacket (a time traveler must have a ‘signature time travelling coat’ after all), would also be hard to explain, and I don’t think she would be relevant enough to the 50th’s plot that it would be worth it to bring Billie back
3- s2 Rose looks too much younger (and chubbier) than Billie does currently, and I think if Moffat used s2 Rose it’d only be to constantly compare Rose with Clara and show off how ‘superior’ to Rose Clara is, like Clara is an improved version of Rose and he’d use the whole episode to rub our (and Rose’s) faces in it - so, basically, fuck no. Moreover, it would do little to the plot, specially because the Ten we’re getting back seems to be the falling-apart-and-going-insane post-s4 Ten (what with Elizabeth I being around), so why would s2 Rose be back without her Doctor?
Basically all other possible Roses we can get would not be relevant enough to the plot of the 50th that they’d go to the trouble of getting Billie to play the part again. Specially with how much Moffat’s probably gonna try to fit into this episode, with all the loopholey complexities he likes having in his stories, and Ten and an alternative, villain-y Doctor being there too, I find it unlikely they’d go to the trouble of bringing back Rose Tyler just for the hell of it and because a lot of the fans would like it.
So yeah, I think she’s either John Hurt’s companion or, for lack of a better term, his companion-that-wasn’t. Because this way we get a popular character back, yes, but in a way that she could add a lot to the storyline and make it worth everyone’s while.
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Don’t you think, if Hurt’s character were from a parallel world, Eleven would ignore his existence and what he’s done? Even being a Time Lord? I got the impression the he knew that man very well, from his own life, not from an alternate version. I could be wrong, but I think he’s from the same Universe.
I agree with 2 and 3, but I think 1 is not impossible, although unlikely. Actually yesterday I came up with a theory, which you can read here. It is unlikely, sounds a bit like what RTD did in series 4, but with some adjustments could be possible. Maybe.
I also think spoiling Tentoo and Rose’s happy ending would be crossing a line even for Moffat. But I’m very scared anyway, because I ship them insanely hard, and I’m not sure if Moffat cares about what fans want. But I hope you’re right.
For me, personally, having a Rose that is not really our Rose, but an alternate Rose, would be a huge disappointment. As well as just an echo, a shapeshifter or something (we have to consider that). But still that would be better than ruining Tentoo x Rose, of course.